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On 8/22/2020 at 7:19 AM, tor said:

(also as a tip, using the word "unconstitutional" is pretty much a dead giveaway that your argument is based on American propaganda, like the sovereign citizen stuff. I am betting dollars to donuts you've been reading a lot of that. Those theories fail in the US and also in Aus.

"unconstitutional" in this parlance in Oz lately is in respect of whether state border closures breach s92 and it's quite valid argument that the closures are unconstitutional. One may thing it's nutty/not nutty to close state borders. But this is a genuine question of whether it's legal. 

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In all practicality if something necessary was agreed by the government they would fast pass an amendment changing the constitution or reframe the wording of the law.)

Not so easy. A const change requires a referendum where it passes by the majority of voters and the majority of states. So currently 4 states would have to achieve 50.1% change and 50.1 of the entire population. Referendi on success about 20% of the time. 

What an exciting time to be alive!

 

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On 8/22/2020 at 0:47 PM, Mr Medved said:

 

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The Constitution is being ignored as the border closures are explicitly illegal (as are forced vaccinations). 

I'd like to see the high court hurry up about border closures. I haven't heard anything about forced vaccinations and the constitution. 

As mandatory as possible, perhaps totally.. blah blah. I would not inject a patient without their consent. That would be assault, immoral and I don't know any clinicians that would do it. 

 

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Mandatory forced vaccination will not happen.

Those that don't take the (annual?) vaccine will just not get a passport or drivers license, or access to any government services (Centrelink, pension, public transport). They will have to wear a six-pointed star at all times when they are allowed outside for one hour per day (max 5 km radius from their home) with a gps tracker and a cowbell while having to shout 'unclean - unclean'!

The number of Incoming overseas tourists will be unrestricted, but they will have to be triple-dose vaccinated on arrival (by force if necessary) and be in mandatory quarantine for 2 months at $30,000 per person.

Australian citizens that are stuck overseas can just f*ck off! It serves them bastards right that they didn't have the sense within the first week of the Covid-19 outbreak to sell their home, resign their (and partner's) jobs (Swedish employment contracts for senior staff have 3 months' notice periods) and yank their kids mid-semester from school before airlines kept cancelling flights and Australian governments throttling incoming arrivals to a trickle. OK, they may be allowed in if they are rich enough to pay for business class for their whole family - then they can come and bring their money with them. But if they are working class battlers that can only afford economy class - then f*ck them! Who cares if no other country in the world restrict their citizens from coming home like good old "mateship" Australia? How can anyone possibly think this is extreme or even possibly unconstitutional?

However, one million foreign full-fee paying students will be ushered in on chartered flights with all expenses paid. No quarantine for them will be necessary since everyone else will be vaccinated.

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On 8/6/2020 at 9:40 PM, staringclown said:

Does investing in Africa make sense? I have been sent this link. Africa has caught up with the 90's. Asia was in the same place not long ago. There is similar risk in terms of corruption and sovereign risk.  ‘invest where it’s still 1981’ is the catch cry. This is the same people that bought you the sovereign man web site. 

 

I didn't listen to the podcast but the answer is no, just no, hell no.

Investing in a specific company in Africa is way more risky than investing in a company in first world countries. Apart from the normal company risk, you have country and currency risk. E.g. a country might look stable enough, then the president loses the election, doesn't recognise it and decides he is president for life. Another scenario is that the president's son/daughter/nephew/niece/dog gets an ownership stake in a competitor in return for political favours. The following week parliament ushers in new legislation that effectively dooms all its competitors. Hammering the printing presses and wild inflation is another favourite. 

The only thing I would consider would be something like an ETF of ETFs from a reputable outfit that invested in a diverse mix of companies in a large number of countries to spread the risk. I might consider investing in something like that for half a second before deciding no.

 

 

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21 hours ago, zaph said:

That's for the High Court to decide and I think the time they're taking to hear Palmer's case may indicate the state border closures are unconstitutional. It's appalling what govts are getting away with under the covid cloud. 

If it is proven, as I expect it should, it leaves states open to civil proceedings (being sued).

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17 hours ago, AndersB said:

Mandatory forced vaccination will not happen.

Those that don't take the (annual?) vaccine will just not get a passport or drivers license, or access to any government services (Centrelink, pension, public transport). They will have to wear a six-pointed star at all times when they are allowed outside for one hour per day (max 5 km radius from their home) with a gps tracker and a cowbell while having to shout 'unclean - unclean'!

The number of Incoming overseas tourists will be unrestricted, but they will have to be triple-dose vaccinated on arrival (by force if necessary) and be in mandatory quarantine for 2 months at $30,000 per person.

Australian citizens that are stuck overseas can just f*ck off! It serves them bastards right that they didn't have the sense within the first week of the Covid-19 outbreak to sell their home, resign their (and partner's) jobs (Swedish employment contracts for senior staff have 3 months' notice periods) and yank their kids mid-semester from school before airlines kept cancelling flights and Australian governments throttling incoming arrivals to a trickle. OK, they may be allowed in if they are rich enough to pay for business class for their whole family - then they can come and bring their money with them. But if they are working class battlers that can only afford economy class - then f*ck them! Who cares if no other country in the world restrict their citizens from coming home like good old "mateship" Australia? How can anyone possibly think this is extreme or even possibly unconstitutional?

However, one million foreign full-fee paying students will be ushered in on chartered flights with all expenses paid. No quarantine for them will be necessary since everyone else will be vaccinated.

Section 51 makes medical conscription (mandatory vaccinations) unlawful.

It's true they may try to compel you, but if they remove rights such as travel then there is strong legal argument that they are acting unlawfully.

I am f*cking kicking myself as I have known about the five flag theory for about 15 years, but due to marriage was never in a position to pursue it. I would love to have a second passport right about now. The Russian Federation have floated the idea of permanent residency for real estate purchases, but no indication if this will proceed and the minimum amount of investment.

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1 hour ago, Mr Medved said:

Section 51 makes medical conscription (mandatory vaccinations) unlawful.

It's true they may try to compel you, but if they remove rights such as travel then there is strong legal argument that they are acting unlawfully.

I am f*cking kicking myself as I have known about the five flag theory for about 15 years, but due to marriage was never in a position to pursue it. I would love to have a second passport right about now. The Russian Federation have floated the idea of permanent residency for real estate purchases, but no indication if this will proceed and the minimum amount of investment.

Appreciate your warning about coming home to Australia. I still have a house in Sweden and want to spend northern hemisphere summers in Europe. But "I still call Australia home" and recently bought a house in regional Queensland (while stuck in Sweden!) - planning to fully retire now and spend most of my time in Australia.

Have a look at this article: http://www.economo.co.uk/countries-are-competing-to-attract-digital-nomads/

It seems Georgia is about to issue Digital Nomad visas soon.

Thanks for the tip about The Five Flags Theory - never heard about it before, looks interesting. I may have implemented some of the ideas of it already and had thoughts along those lines before.

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I AM DRUNK DISCLAIMER :)

1. wtf happened to Australia? even last year when we were back the "we are america" was so f*cking strong. My own brother had turned from a kiwi racist into a US racist. Weird as f*ck. I was only gone like 5 years. People are espousing f*cking american bullsh*t conspiracy nonsense and getting it f*ck wrong. Then you voted for the f*cking racists. Weird as sh*t.

2. If they are doing dumb sh*t sh*t limits on people etc they are being dumbsh*ts "I like the numbers where they are" people. NZ does not do this. Australia should not either.

3. Even if the optimistic theory of 500/M deaths is true that is still a f*ckton of un needed deaths. My nanna & grandma is dead. I don't want you to have to have that before it is needed.

4. Investing in Africa. Yeah same as investing in china in the 90's. Basically you can't and if you can all your money goes away if you are "just money" you have to actually be a useful person for them to want to not rip you off. Make sh*t / know sh*t etc. I'd guess buying stocks is basically retarded mental growth behaviour.

5. Georgia passport? f*ck no. I mean their version of a pizza is okay but that's all any 5 flags person would even remotely consider I think. Look to the west indies instead I think

6. Really! Anders you never heard the theory? I call bullsh*t. If you are not just making another one of your subtle jokes then reconsider. You have EU, AU already grab some SG and you are basically sorted from an admin perspective. The east of Poland is currently a wee bit tricky. I'd avoid it if I could (I am stockpiling food not guns. this may change if a bunch of americans get stressed in the gap)

7. 2 weeks quarantine is not a f*cking chore people! if you can travel and work then you just tell all your clients "quarantine" and then do fun per hr billable projects with a perfect excuse for stuff you don't want to touch. Plus sexy times in an airbnb. Always fun to see how you can defile their idiotic "tomorrow is happy day" crap. Ever airbnb has this nonsense I think. I think a porn shoot with that as an accessory is awesome. One day I will start my own company of "airbnb's best for shooting porn".

8. I'd avoid a vaccine personally for a year or so. That is what history teaches. Instead I will just sit in my room and train in my bubble. It got politicised. I'll wait for the eager beavers to test it and perform the normal stage 3 testing. Then I'll decide. I don'[t want my decision to be a political thing.

9. This has brought the disconnect between "real world economics" and "stock market economics" to the fore. I drunkenly ranted about it a few day back to my BIL. Since then Krugman has pretty much said the same thing. I should go steal his prize for my smartness. Effectively no inflation means you can print whatever you need to keep your people alive and if you don't you're a c**t.

10. I ma still drunk even after typing all that. Oh and Medved, yah for sure you need need a better media feed, you getting played my boy. I assume you saw fox news come out in support of Biden right? Falwell? You are just going to have to revert back to being an aussie I think.

11. We all know what eleven is for and I am not great enough, even drunk on delightful Wódka Żołądkowa Gorzka which I don't even know if I have keys to type, to steal that glory.

 

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38 minutes ago, tor said:

10. I ma still drunk even after typing all that. Oh and Medved, yah for sure you need need a better media feed, you getting played my boy. I assume you saw fox news come out in support of Biden right? Falwell? You are just going to have to revert back to being an aussie I think.

I rarely read legacy media sites, but it's sometimes helpful to get a look at what the normies are being indoctrinated with. :) 

Oh, and I figure if I end up stuck in a country then Russia's not a bad option. Biggest country in the world, opportunities to live off the land, internet is cheap, lots of culture to enjoy, and there are plenty of hot women. It's unlikely to be directly attacked (holding nukes) so while it has cons it's an attractive option. You just have to be a bit street smart and have good connections.

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On the digital nomad thing,

I have this weird arse idea.

  1. Find a country where you could cede land and start your own sovereign nation.
  2. Purchase real estate in various countries for embassies the size of a downtown/CBD in a city. Ideally big enough to have an airport too.
  3. Develop the embassy into a mini city state within host countries. For example, embassies (cities) in Paris, Tokyo, London, Moscow, Washington, etc.
  4. Provide (a secondary) citizenship for digital nomads. These nomads rent out housing and can move country to country on a regular basis, no fixed residence in these outposts.
  5. Nomads pay no income tax, no business tax. They only pay rent and services they utilise. If they don't want to pay rent they can live in the host countries.

I think it'd be cool. It's essentially a city state like Singapore except distributed globally. And if you end up with miscreants (criminals) you convict them and take away their passports (as they have a primary passport).

And I'd be like a king or something, so it would be guaranteed to be super cool. :)

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12 hours ago, tor said:

I'd avoid a vaccine personally for a year or so. That is what history teaches.It got politicised. I'll wait for the eager beavers to test it and perform the normal stage 3 testing. Then I'll decide. I don'[t want my decision to be a political thing.

It's likely that there will be a couple of vaccines to choose from if you wait. It will take ~ a year(?) to vaccinate the world. Let the more needy countries and people go first. 

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14 hours ago, tor said:

I AM DRUNK <snip>

8. I'd avoid a vaccine personally for a year or so. That is what history teaches. Instead I will just sit in my room and train in my bubble. It got politicised. I'll wait for the eager beavers to test it and perform the normal stage 3 testing. Then I'll decide. I don'[t want my decision to be a political thing.

Tor - you anti-vaxxer Trump arse-licking right-wing conspiracy nutter! Just take your mandatory vaccine like every good law-abiding person instead of free-riding on the herd immunity from all the early guinea pig community minded people!

Never mind that that phase 3 clinical trials only need three thousand or so healthy volunteers. It will probably never be tested on kids, pregnant women, or people with known health problems. What could possibly go wrong? OK, ok - let's say there will only be adverse side effects for one in 10,000 people. Mandatory vaccination for Australians should then result in a paltry 2500 people that may get problems for life (or die early). Surely that is a price worth paying?

And then we are likely to need booster shots every year - so there may be lots of people with adverse reactions every year.

We have never seen a highly effective vaccine against any corona virus. Flu shots are 40%-60% effective for one single season: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

So if a vaccine against the SARS-CoV-2 virus is only 50% effective (for one season) we would only see marginal herd immunity if 100% of the population gets vaccinated. That is based on the doubtful assumption that over 70% of the population needs to be immune.

But if mandatory vaccination is not going to be enforced and only 50% of the population gets vaccinated (because of selfish bastards like tor) there will only be 25% of the population with immunity.

So why are we pursuing lockdown strategies until the (solve all our problems) vaccine will be available in 12 months time? There are a whole lot assumptions in that strategy that are unlikely to all work out.

The world is mad.

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On 24/08/2020 at 1:24 PM, Turkey said:

I didn't listen to the podcast but the answer is no, just no, hell no.

Investing in a specific company in Africa is way more risky than investing in a company in first world countries. Apart from the normal company risk, you have country and currency risk. E.g. a country might look stable enough, then the president loses the election, doesn't recognise it and decides he is president for life. Another scenario is that the president's son/daughter/nephew/niece/dog gets an ownership stake in a competitor in return for political favours. The following week parliament ushers in new legislation that effectively dooms all its competitors. Hammering the printing presses and wild inflation is another favourite. 

The only thing I would consider would be something like an ETF of ETFs from a reputable outfit that invested in a diverse mix of companies in a large number of countries to spread the risk. I might consider investing in something like that for half a second before deciding no.

 

 

Thanks for the response Turkey. My thoughts on the sovereign risk are in lock step. I posted because I wanted to get some idea of others thoughts. And to confirm my own prejudice. All of your arguments are valid.

Though I do think that the same arguments could be made about Asia 10 years ago. That being said the same arguments about Asia have actually been proven correct! Cambodia is a case in point. Business success relies on greasing the right palms. If I was younger I might take a punt. 

I like the idea of spreading the risk exposure. I know Time Staermose personally. That doesn't mean he won't waltz off with my cash. Anyhow, back to the drawing board.

 

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On 25/08/2020 at 10:40 AM, tor said:

I AM DRUNK DISCLAIMER :)

1. wtf happened to Australia? even last year when we were back the "we are america" was so f*cking strong. My own brother had turned from a kiwi racist into a US racist. Weird as f*ck. I was only gone like 5 years. People are espousing f*cking american bullsh*t conspiracy nonsense and getting it f*ck wrong. Then you voted for the f*cking racists. Weird as sh*t.

2. If they are doing dumb sh*t sh*t limits on people etc they are being dumbsh*ts "I like the numbers where they are" people. NZ does not do this. Australia should not either.

3. Even if the optimistic theory of 500/M deaths is true that is still a f*ckton of un needed deaths. My nanna & grandma is dead. I don't want you to have to have that before it is needed.

4. Investing in Africa. Yeah same as investing in china in the 90's. Basically you can't and if you can all your money goes away if you are "just money" you have to actually be a useful person for them to want to not rip you off. Make sh*t / know sh*t etc. I'd guess buying stocks is basically retarded mental growth behaviour.

5. Georgia passport? f*ck no. I mean their version of a pizza is okay but that's all any 5 flags person would even remotely consider I think. Look to the west indies instead I think

6. Really! Anders you never heard the theory? I call bullsh*t. If you are not just making another one of your subtle jokes then reconsider. You have EU, AU already grab some SG and you are basically sorted from an admin perspective. The east of Poland is currently a wee bit tricky. I'd avoid it if I could (I am stockpiling food not guns. this may change if a bunch of americans get stressed in the gap)

7. 2 weeks quarantine is not a f*cking chore people! if you can travel and work then you just tell all your clients "quarantine" and then do fun per hr billable projects with a perfect excuse for stuff you don't want to touch. Plus sexy times in an airbnb. Always fun to see how you can defile their idiotic "tomorrow is happy day" crap. Ever airbnb has this nonsense I think. I think a porn shoot with that as an accessory is awesome. One day I will start my own company of "airbnb's best for shooting porn".

8. I'd avoid a vaccine personally for a year or so. That is what history teaches. Instead I will just sit in my room and train in my bubble. It got politicised. I'll wait for the eager beavers to test it and perform the normal stage 3 testing. Then I'll decide. I don'[t want my decision to be a political thing.

9. This has brought the disconnect between "real world economics" and "stock market economics" to the fore. I drunkenly ranted about it a few day back to my BIL. Since then Krugman has pretty much said the same thing. I should go steal his prize for my smartness. Effectively no inflation means you can print whatever you need to keep your people alive and if you don't you're a c**t.

10. I ma still drunk even after typing all that. Oh and Medved, yah for sure you need need a better media feed, you getting played my boy. I assume you saw fox news come out in support of Biden right? Falwell? You are just going to have to revert back to being an aussie I think.

11. We all know what eleven is for and I am not great enough, even drunk on delightful Wódka Żołądkowa Gorzka which I don't even know if I have keys to type, to steal that glory.

 

God, I've missed a good Tor rant. :) Enlivens the spirit!

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On 04/08/2020 at 0:46 PM, Mr Medved said:

I honestly pay almost no attention to politics, but don't get the level of hate against Trump. Sure he's dirty, but all the politicians are dirty, so what's the deal?

Oh yeah, he incites violence against his own people.

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My 2 little rants and I have no idea if they are relevant to this topic are:

1. Everything being viewed through a political lens and people supporting their "tribe", especially anything to do with the USA. E.g. it seems that every Democrat and left leaning media organisation has already decided that Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty and every Republican and right leaning media has decided that he is innocent. FFS, why should the political orientation of the viewer have anything to do with judging whether someone is guilty of murder/homicide or was innocent and acting in self defense?

2. Why TF have Australia and New Zealand committed themselves to the "free" AstraZeneca vaccine manufactured by CSL at this early stage? Lobbying $$$ well spent I guess... It blows my mind that when there are so many different vaccine candidates being trialed around the world (dozens?) that the government would pick a winner before the results of phase 3 trials. IMO this is a definite case of it being more important to pick the correct candidate in terms of effectiveness and safety rather than being a first mover.

Imagine if this vaccine punt turns out unlucky and there are far more effective vaccines out there. I can imagine a scenario where certain countries won't recognise the Australian vaccine and different sets of vaccines are recognised by different countries. It could lead to a scenario where you have to take multiple doses of various vaccines all with rushed stage 3 trials if you want to travel through a number of countries :wacko:

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1. US is in turmoil. Other questions I think are relevant are:

  • Why was he even there?
  • Why was he armed and allowed to carry arms?
  • Why does Trump get away with having the violence occur under his leadership yet project that the problem is owned by his opponent?

2. This was an announcible. It is designed to mollify and satisfy the press that Scomo is doing something. It may well be useless from a rational point of view. But that is hardly the point. If you need to defend against an attack that you aren't doing enough then going with Oxford Uni is a good call in Oz. Good white university. It's not like it's a real thing. It's a talking point. The real solution can be dealt with waaaay down the track.

 

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8 hours ago, staringclown said:

1. US is in turmoil. Other questions I think are relevant are:

  • Why was he even there?
  • Why was he armed and allowed to carry arms?
  • Why does Trump get away with having the violence occur under his leadership yet project that the problem is owned by his opponent?

2. This was an announcible. It is designed to mollify and satisfy the press that Scomo is doing something. It may well be useless from a rational point of view. But that is hardly the point. If you need to defend against an attack that you aren't doing enough then going with Oxford Uni is a good call in Oz. Good white university. It's not like it's a real thing. It's a talking point. The real solution can be dealt with waaaay down the track.

 

2. Yep. Check this out 

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/north-america/vaccine-nationalism-us-says-it-won-t-join-global-effort-for-covid-19-inoculation-20200902-p55rkt.html

Same but different puffery from Trump

 

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On 8/25/2020 at 11:18 AM, Mr Medved said:

I rarely read legacy media sites, but it's sometimes helpful to get a look at what the normies are being indoctrinated with. :) 

Oh, and I figure if I end up stuck in a country then Russia's not a bad option. Biggest country in the world, opportunities to live off the land, internet is cheap, lots of culture to enjoy, and there are plenty of hot women. It's unlikely to be directly attacked (holding nukes) so while it has cons it's an attractive option. You just have to be a bit street smart and have good connections.

Wow. This new "only get massively drunk twice a week" regime has seriously cut down on my ranting. heh. I have half a bottle of Zoladkowa Gorzka left, fried about 2kgs of chicken for the family, including school going kiddies that are f*cking excited to be allowed out and somehow I got like 5 of them for dinner.

Short words, f*ck me! I am pissed.

You Medved have brought the first proposals ever of Biden being mentally unfit. I mentioned at the time that he was like 4 years older than the "exercise burns your battery out" "hamburger only diet" guy that can't stand up straight and always has his hands hanging in front of him. (lifts? probably, I tested them and yup if you want to look taller that is what it does to your posture).

I said you need to vary your media diet to avoid being swayed by propaganda.

It appears recently that your "Biden is mentally unfit" idea is actually a paid message from Russia to the US. Why the f*ck an Australian would be suckered by that I don't know. Maybe your desire to go to Russia makes you slightly more amenable but for f*cks sake. Surely the word play f*ckup in the previous one you got suckered by should have given you a heads up.

Lord boy, you looking dumb as sh*t all the time! You say something and next week there is an article about who paid for you to have that idea. What did Bush say? "Fool me once and I won't never get fooled again?" Surely you are smarter than, I think, the 3rd dumbest president ever.

f*ck me but if you aren't making money from the propaganda in a pump and dump style. heh. You are now a member of the "world stupid economy". All your money are belong to us etc. (Fair Warning: probably I am actually a member of the "us", I don't pay for propaganda to be produced but might be spewing it constantly, this economy certainly hasn't hurt me, companies are bending over backwards to make me happy, probably a good sign I am a member of the elite I guess).

As for "legacy", "normies" etc, you seriously have to use those words like you would use the word c**t[1]. Otherwise you really do like look like a sucker of the propaganda. Think it through logically, how many of the SilverStackers / ZeroHdge have actually gotten wealthy? if that is not your current investment website of choice [pretty sure it is] how many of whichever website you read have done well? why are they still there?

I read a cool opinion once which was "only rob a bank for minimum wage on time if you're caught". You may want to factor this into your lifestyle. If you think you are learning on a website but it has never delivered rewards you need to refactor your investment plan. If you gave it money you should probably just give up and be a normal person.

 

[1] Actually probably more seriously. I lead a couple zoom sessions teaching budo each week. Checking the recordings, f*ck me I swear a c**ting c**t of a f*ckload heh. Then the Polish Princess (oh we got married, not sure I told you guys) pointed it out to me and the Israelis said I was like that aussie man on youtube and stuff.

What I am saying is "repeat catch phrases like sheeple, legacy, etc only ever if you are too dumb to rephrase the propaganda" otherwise everyone knows it is propaganda, a simple google history search shows very quickly words with uncommon frequency.

Unless you just like some words. I managed to get away with some of those "forbidden american words" the other day and got upvoted ahahahaha.

f*ck me. Now I find they ate most of the chicken and only -half- of the lovely sesame cabbage salad. Well we all know who is getting f*cking stir fry tomorrow! pffft Poles, scared of flavours they are. I will lead them through the flavour revolution.

Oh f*ck! With Belarus (next door) being all "waaaa I want to be corrupt" and Putin being all "I can help you with that". It is super not cool that each morning I go to bayonet training with the locals there is an actual f*cking sign pointing to the suwalki gap at the roundabout.

Now for a smoke. And vodka.

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On 8/6/2020 at 9:40 PM, staringclown said:

Does investing in Africa make sense? I have been sent this link. Africa has caught up with the 90's. Asia was in the same place not long ago. There is similar risk in terms of corruption and sovereign risk.  ‘invest where it’s still 1981’ is the catch cry. This is the same people that bought you the sovereign man web site. 

 

Does investing gambling in Africa make sense?

if you are the one that wins, sure :) plus you can Nic Cage it up as f*ck (seriously Lord of War, watch it, it's awesome). Sun Glasses!!!!

I'd suspect that for the rest of us normies to be able to safely invest in Africa most of the rape money will be gone and we will just get the normal BRIC etc market raping which might go up or down depending on the day and who the bastards are focussing on ripping off.

I have a strong feeling that the new economic theories coming up in the wake of the virus basically make the stock market a silly game which is about as rewarding as any RNG match 3 gachapon mobile phone game. Good for keeping people happy. but "No actual food can be bought with any of these tickets".

The disconnect between real world and idea seems like either there will be a 90's reset or the stock market will never be a place worth investing in really.

Buying tokens is not buying wealth if everyone else has the same token.

And, as I think I have been saying for many years, if you put all the money in a pile protected by people, those people will steal the money. Or someone smarter will. Superannuation is basically gone, stock market is next I figure.

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On 8/25/2020 at 11:18 AM, Mr Medved said:

Oh, and I figure if I end up stuck in a country then Russia's not a bad option. Biggest country in the world, opportunities to live off the land, internet is cheap, lots of culture to enjoy, and there are plenty of hot women. It's unlikely to be directly attacked (holding nukes) so while it has cons it's an attractive option. You just have to be a bit street smart and have good connections.

w00t day 2 of the week where I self proscribe alcohol as a cure for really sore footsies.

Russia has basically no f*cking food. Israel is small but has cheap internet, culture, hot chicks. (notably russia and israel do no have good food, f*ck me but what is wrong with these people? good food is not hard and if you have peasant/oppressed culture I think it is kind of on you to have decent food culture. I mean I'm not the bad guy here, they f*cking are).

Israel has nukes, it is attacked constantly. Many of my friends there have bits where bullets went through.

The only thing russia has going for it is a bunch of people. Sure back when you could enslave them all by saying I am in charge that was useful. Nowadays? nah. Putin knows his day are numbered simply because a kajillion acres in siberia worked with dissident slave labour is worhtless when the world has enough food for basically free.

I am of the opinion that covid just kicked us into the first days of the infinite supply economy.

I think that is cool.

(there are a bunch of sh*tty things I could say about russia but they would all seem partisan. oh he poisoned another person that disagreed with him this week? yeah but he always does that. I mean if you are up for putin or being poisoned or being meaningless then yeah sure).

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On 8/25/2020 at 11:33 AM, Mr Medved said:

On the digital nomad thing,

I have this weird arse idea.

  1. Find a country where you could cede land and start your own sovereign nation.
  2. Purchase real estate in various countries for embassies the size of a downtown/CBD in a city. Ideally big enough to have an airport too.
  3. Develop the embassy into a mini city state within host countries. For example, embassies (cities) in Paris, Tokyo, London, Moscow, Washington, etc.
  4. Provide (a secondary) citizenship for digital nomads. These nomads rent out housing and can move country to country on a regular basis, no fixed residence in these outposts.
  5. Nomads pay no income tax, no business tax. They only pay rent and services they utilise. If they don't want to pay rent they can live in the host countries.

I think it'd be cool. It's essentially a city state like Singapore except distributed globally. And if you end up with miscreants (criminals) you convict them and take away their passports (as they have a primary passport).

And I'd be like a king or something, so it would be guaranteed to be super cool. :)

Every nerd had this idea for like ever. The problem basically come down to charisma to keep it going (which means it dies when you do)

And you have no beer and no airline. Frank said that was required. Frank was a smart man. He was different to me but I find it hard to ignore ideas from smart smart people just because they are from a different field to me.

Aside from that the digital nomad thing is solved. You aren't adding anything that doesn't exist and just centralising the place for it to all go wrong which is pretty much the opposite of the whole idea and just for your ego.

Like I said, every nerd came up with this and maybe I don't like the same video games as you.

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On 8/25/2020 at 10:58 PM, zaph said:

It's likely that there will be a couple of vaccines to choose from if you wait. It will take ~ a year(?) to vaccinate the world. Let the more needy countries and people go first. 

I hate to be that first worldy but yep.

Let the politicians do their things, the "free market" people do theirs, the poor do the real testing then wait a few months for some vaguely useful post grads put some numbers together.

Until them I am basically living in a bubble of some 20 odd people in the backwoods of Poland.

I have a new tv and playstation in my shopping list for if things get worse.

We have a new girlfriend gagging to meet us in a month if things get better.

Planning makes things work!

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On 04/09/2020 at 10:41 AM, tor said:

Does investing gambling in Africa make sense?

if you are the one that wins, sure :) plus you can Nic Cage it up as f*ck (seriously Lord of War, watch it, it's awesome). Sun Glasses!!!!

I'd suspect that for the rest of us normies to be able to safely invest in Africa most of the rape money will be gone and we will just get the normal BRIC etc market raping which might go up or down depending on the day and who the bastards are focussing on ripping off.

I have a strong feeling that the new economic theories coming up in the wake of the virus basically make the stock market a silly game which is about as rewarding as any RNG match 3 gachapon mobile phone game. Good for keeping people happy. but "No actual food can be bought with any of these tickets".

The disconnect between real world and idea seems like either there will be a 90's reset or the stock market will never be a place worth investing in really.

Buying tokens is not buying wealth if everyone else has the same token.

And, as I think I have been saying for many years, if you put all the money in a pile protected by people, those people will steal the money. Or someone smarter will. Superannuation is basically gone, stock market is next I figure.

I like the idea of Caging it up but I wasn't really planning to leave Oz. :blush: Another reason not to invest. The 'opportunities' really need to be sighted. And even then I figured I'd just be a stranger in a strange land. One of the examples provided was a cement manufacturer. It was a subsidiary of a large European conglomerate. I could just easily as invest in that entity. 

As long as the tokens are limited in number - I'll give the stocks a burl. I need to get more than 1.5% return. I see a further decline when the stimulus runs out. I take your point however. Maybe the stimulus won't run out. For all of the talk that printing money causes runaway inflation I'm yet to see any evidence outside the oft cited Venezuela and Zimbabwe tales. MMT is proving more resilient a theory than first thought. The US has been running the printers hot for a decade. Where's the rampant inflation?

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