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So far we've had Shrek cheering a housing boom. Ideological breakouts from Pyne (since recanted) about a measly uni service fee, the relegation of science, the shutdown of information on the success or otherwise of asylum seeker policy and a silencing of public debate on climate science. Tony's gagging his own ministers. Malcolm has sacked the NBN board wiping out corporate memory and setting himself up for an enormous f*ckup. The media cycle has slowed for sure. From emergency to inaction. A government bereft of ideas? If this keeps up this lot will be gone next election. How long will Tony remain?

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So far we've had Shrek cheering a housing boom. Ideological breakouts from Pyne (since recanted) about a measly uni service fee, the relegation of science, the shutdown of information on the success or otherwise of asylum seeker policy and a silencing of public debate on climate science. Tony's gagging his own ministers. Malcolm has sacked the NBN board wiping out corporate memory and setting himself up for an enormous f*ckup. The media cycle has slowed for sure. From emergency to inaction. A government bereft of ideas? If this keeps up this lot will be gone next election. How long will Tony remain?

I think that Turnbull has done the right thing. He has asked for a full audit of what seems to me to be a project out of control, certainly by what was sold to the public initially. The truth needs to be reported and then assessment made of what can realistically be provided within cost and timed constraints. This includes change of management where necessary, though the concept of Ziggy heading the corporation based on what he did to Mayne Nickless, Optus & Telstra's share prices is of major concern (to me at least) as to how well he can manage the NBN.

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"Characteristics of Fascism" by Dr. Lawrence Britt

. Dr. Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism that appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of humanist thought. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Lawrence Britt, and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20. The website for Free Inquiry

The 14 characteristics are:

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic, or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free-expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Fascism defined.at Wikipedia

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"Characteristics of Fascism" by Dr. Lawrence Britt

. Dr. Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism that appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of humanist thought. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Lawrence Britt, and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20. The website for Free Inquiry

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic, or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free-expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Fascism defined.at Wikipedia

I think that you're confusing government takeover with efficient management. What Turnbull is doing is no different when one corporation buys a badly managed one and takes the necessary steps to turn it around. The other option of course is to use taxpayers money to endless subsidise the inefficient scheme.

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Turnbull did the right thing. Go hard, go early. He had enough evidence to sack the board (I didn't know about this) - now what happens is what he will be judged on. If you let it linger then it's harder to blame others for the cock up that is NBN.

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Turnbull did the right thing. Go hard, go early. He had enough evidence to sack the board (I didn't know about this) - now what happens is what he will be judged on. If you let it linger then it's harder to blame others for the cock up that is NBN.

+1. After the audit and the new management and directions are in place, Turnbull can't blame anybody else.

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I think that Turnbull has done the right thing. He has asked for a full audit of what seems to me to be a project out of control, certainly by what was sold to the public initially. The truth needs to be reported and then assessment made of what can realistically be provided within cost and timed constraints. This includes change of management where necessary, though the concept of Ziggy heading the corporation based on what he did to Mayne Nickless, Optus & Telstra's share prices is of major concern (to me at least) as to how well he can manage the NBN.

Point taken on the NBN. I've since heard Malcolm is keeping a couple of the board for continuity. And it is good that he is taking responsibility.

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Fascism Checklist..

Worried about recent developments? Try the latest Fascism Checklist. See if it is as bad as you think, or it could be worse.

"Characteristics of Fascism" by Dr. Lawrence Britt

. Dr. Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism that appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of humanist thought. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Lawrence Britt, and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20. The website for Free Inquiry

The 14 characteristics are:

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic, or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free-expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Fascism defined.at Wikipedia

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1. check - but this is true of all Australian governments

2. check - Asylum seekers

3. check - Asylum seekers

4. check - Defence exempt from cuts

5. check - Cabinet is a cock forest

6. partial check - Rupert

7. check - Asylum seekers are terrorists

8. check - Mad monk is prime minister

9. check - mining tax and carbon tax being axed

10. yet to be seen

11. check - no science minister. Disregard for climate science

12. yet to be seen

13. yet to be seen

14. Can't see abbott manipulating the electoral system

Not the full bingo card by any stretch. Only about half so only semi fascist at this point. I'm surprised that government secrecy isn't on the list but maybe that comes under the media point.

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I'm surprised that government secrecy isn't on the list but maybe that comes under the media point.

That's handled by the NSA, to which Australia is a data sharing partner.censored.gif

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That's handled by the NSA, to which Australia is a data sharing partner.censored.gif

Don't forget Rupert.

Thank God he had an idiot son.

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Don't forget Rupert.

Thank God he had an idiot son.

and to all my friends at the NSA and News Ltd a hearty Hello! and Good Day!

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But there were TWO! But enough of that. Tony will remain for a good while courtesy the last mob running the place. Rupert and Co. are pleased. Gina is soothed by the Grinning Barnaby. Wealth and good tidings to all!

Who needs a new leader when the current one is so much better than the last one?

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Well it looks like Helen Kroger is out next year to be replaced by the "Roo Poo Senator".

http://www.weeklytim...atest-news.html

CAR-loving Gippslander Ricky Muir will represent the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party in the Senate.

The Australian Electorial Commission has confirmed Muir is among the six Senate seats for the state, despite gaining only 17,710 votes - just 0.51 per cent of the vote.

The unemployed father of five from Denison scraped in at sixth place, edging out Victorian Liberal Senator Helen Kroger.

He secured the seat based on complicated preference deals with other minor party candidates, the Herald Sun reports.

He will be joined in the Upper House by Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan of the Coalition, Labor's Gavin Marshall and Jacinta Collins and the Greens Janet Rice.

The result is a blow for the Liberal Party in Victoria, which finished with only one extra federal seat despite a two-party preferred swing of almost 6 per cent against Labor in the House of Representatives.

The Liberals gained the seats of Corangamite, Deakin and La Trobe, but lost Industry spokeswoman Sophie Mirabella in Indi, as well as Senator Kroger.

Mr Muir, 32, was a surprise candidate, who last month admitted he didn't even own a suit.

He has no experience in the political world. His campaign focused on road safety and increasing the rights for four-wheel drive vehicle owners.

The novice candidate shot to fame last month when a video surfaced of him having a kangaroo poo fight with his mates, earning him the nickname "the Roo Poo Senator".

A comment on social media two years ago ­implying George W. Bush was involved in the September 11 attacks also came back to haunt him.

Mr Muir had earlier told the Herald Sun he was "shocked" when initial tallying leaned in his favour. At the time, he said he would not discuss mainstream policies such as carbon tax, same-sex marriage or asylum seekers until his seat had been confirmed.

He has not returned our calls for comment following the announcement.

The former sawmill worker will now be on a whopping $195,000 a year pay packet for the next six years. He starts the new job in Canberra on July 1.

Outgoing Senator Kroger released a statement congratulating Mr Muir on winning the sixth spot.

"I wish to record my thanks and gratitude to the people of Victoria for the opportunity to serve them," she said.

"It is a rare honour to be elected to the Australian Parliament and I consider myself very fortunate to have had that privilege since 2008.

"With such privilege comes enormous responsibility and I wish Mr Muir all the best in his endeavours.

"My enthusiasm and support for the Abbott Coalition Government will ensure that the remaining eight months of my Senate term will be busy and productive ones."

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Well it looks like Helen Kroger is out next year to be replaced by the "Roo Poo Senator".

http://www.weeklytim...atest-news.html

CAR-loving Gippslander Ricky Muir will represent the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party in the Senate.

The Australian Electorial Commission has confirmed Muir is among the six Senate seats for the state, despite gaining only 17,710 votes - just 0.51 per cent of the vote.

The unemployed father of five from Denison scraped in at sixth place, edging out Victorian Liberal Senator Helen Kroger.

He secured the seat based on complicated preference deals with other minor party candidates, the Herald Sun reports.

He will be joined in the Upper House by Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan of the Coalition, Labor's Gavin Marshall and Jacinta Collins and the Greens Janet Rice.

The result is a blow for the Liberal Party in Victoria, which finished with only one extra federal seat despite a two-party preferred swing of almost 6 per cent against Labor in the House of Representatives.

The Liberals gained the seats of Corangamite, Deakin and La Trobe, but lost Industry spokeswoman Sophie Mirabella in Indi, as well as Senator Kroger.

Mr Muir, 32, was a surprise candidate, who last month admitted he didn't even own a suit.

He has no experience in the political world. His campaign focused on road safety and increasing the rights for four-wheel drive vehicle owners.

The novice candidate shot to fame last month when a video surfaced of him having a kangaroo poo fight with his mates, earning him the nickname "the Roo Poo Senator".

A comment on social media two years ago ­implying George W. Bush was involved in the September 11 attacks also came back to haunt him.

Mr Muir had earlier told the Herald Sun he was "shocked" when initial tallying leaned in his favour. At the time, he said he would not discuss mainstream policies such as carbon tax, same-sex marriage or asylum seekers until his seat had been confirmed.

He has not returned our calls for comment following the announcement.

The former sawmill worker will now be on a whopping $195,000 a year pay packet for the next six years. He starts the new job in Canberra on July 1.

Outgoing Senator Kroger released a statement congratulating Mr Muir on winning the sixth spot.

"I wish to record my thanks and gratitude to the people of Victoria for the opportunity to serve them," she said.

"It is a rare honour to be elected to the Australian Parliament and I consider myself very fortunate to have had that privilege since 2008.

"With such privilege comes enormous responsibility and I wish Mr Muir all the best in his endeavours.

"My enthusiasm and support for the Abbott Coalition Government will ensure that the remaining eight months of my Senate term will be busy and productive ones."

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Well it looks like Helen Kroger is out next year to be replaced by the "Roo Poo Senator".

Is Roo Poo any worse than the other candidates?

I don't know if anyone else agrees, but i think almost any random person off the street is more honest and more capable of acting in the interests of the Australian people than any candidate put forward by the major parties.

Perhaps something similar to the selection of jurors or a lottery system to select politicians (or candidates for the ballot paper) would give a better government.

The only thing worse I could think of would be 'reality television' candidates. I do sound like a grumpy old bastard!

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Is Roo Poo any worse than the other candidates?

I don't know if anyone else agrees, but i think almost any random person off the street is more honest and more capable of acting in the interests of the Australian people than any candidate put forward by the major parties.

Perhaps something similar to the selection of jurors or a lottery system to select politicians (or candidates for the ballot paper) would give a better government.

The only thing worse I could think of would be 'reality television' candidates. I do sound like a grumpy old bastard!

It's a good question. Roo poo probably has some views I agree with and some I don't. (Like everybody) I think the question is more whether the senate makeup is representative of the society as a whole. I'm good with a diversity of views as it requires compromise which probably arrives at a consensus and probably more moderate decision.

The counter argument is that you could also end up with something like the Italian parliament. Diverse but made up of diametrically opposed interests that don't seem to be able to compromise.

For example my main problem with the greens is that they seem incapable of compromise. We could have had an ETS 6 years ago but for their intransigence on the level of cuts. Politics is compromise. Small bites still finish the meal.

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i think almost any random person off the street is more honest and more capable of acting in the interests of the Australian people than any candidate put forward by the major parties.

QFT

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Is Roo Poo any worse than the other candidates?

My initial reaction was "WTF?" or something similar, but on reflection it may be beneficial for left field candidates getting into parliament instead of party apparatchiks.

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I think that Turnbull has done the right thing. He has asked for a full audit of what seems to me to be a project out of control, certainly by what was sold to the public initially. The truth needs to be reported and then assessment made of what can realistically be provided within cost and timed constraints. This includes change of management where necessary, though the concept of Ziggy heading the corporation based on what he did to Mayne Nickless, Optus & Telstra's share prices is of major concern (to me at least) as to how well he can manage the NBN.

This is not good, though expected!

Ziggy Switkowski to chair smaller NBN Co board

Dr Switkowski, the nuclear physicist who was dumped as Telstra’s chief executive in 2004, will lead a three-person board overseeing Australia’s largest infrastructure project...

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It's a good question. Roo poo probably has some views I agree with and some I don't. (Like everybody)

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For example my main problem with the greens is that they seem incapable of compromise. We could have had an ETS 6 years ago but for their intransigence on the level of cuts. Politics is compromise. Small bites still finish the meal.

I also don't think I would agree with Roo poo's views, but he may actually stick to his commitments unlike the main parties.

Have the greens been credible on any environmental issue? I thought the ETS was irrelevant, no measurement of actual CO2 emissions or any measurements of changes in emission levels, or measurements or monitoring of any consequences of real emissions. The ETS, and most of the other policy options around carbon, seemed designed to provide trading and fee generating opportunities for the vampire squid and friends.

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My initial reaction was "WTF?" or something similar, but on reflection it may be beneficial for left field candidates getting into parliament instead of party apparatchiks.

Me too, but party apparatchiks is a perfect description for the current crop.

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Just watched Abbott on the 7.30 report. 

 

I'll hold my tongue on most of the BS he peddles. But in regard to the spying allegations in particular he is definitely overreaching. 

 

Everybody knows that we spy on Indonesia and Indonesia spies on us. The trick is not getting caught. To try to lay the blame on the previous government for spying when we haven't stopped spying now and every government including the Howard government of which he was a member was spying is pathetic.

 

By all means ramp up the debt limit by massive amounts to keep it out of the news, push up the deficit with donations to the RBA, don't cut wasteful spending (cut useful spending) and blame the previous government for the lot. That's politics. 

 

But the absolute hypocrisy of blaming spying allegations on the previous government is just too much for me. 

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hell his 7.30 report appearance got him   my  daily dick award

 

At least he's cut out the "blaming previous government for spying" bullsh*t. Someone must have had a word with him. Still he's in a pickle. He's already made one grovelling apology so I can't imagine why it's so difficult for him to make another. It's not like he gives a sh*t about telling the truth or anything.  :lol:

 

Just promise the Indonesians hand on heart we've stopped and sorry it won't happen again. Ironically, the Indonesians offered him an out blaming the previous government (Yes minister style) and he didn't take it. If there were a market bet I could take I would bet on a back down from Abbott in the next 48 hours.

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I were him I would make the bluff call. "Yeah we'll stop trying to snoop on their phones when they stop tracking mine" in an offhand manner as he gets onto a bike or goes for a swim so there are no follow up questions and he can claim it as an offhand remark when quizzed later.

 

Freak the Indonesian IT guys completely as I believe they have better stuff than us so they would be worried we had figured out how to detect their stuff.

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