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Axing salary sacrifice on vehicles the thin end of the wedge?

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This is where things get confusing for me. Is it seriously being suggested that there are people trying to come in on the boats (where you end up in some hell hole procesing centre) that could apply through the skilled migrant thing?

The only way I can think that economic migrants exist is if in other countries there is some amazing marketing campaign appealing to people who have crappy lives. If you were a beggar somewhere and the boat smuggly people came along and said "hey jump on our chartered Carnival cruise ship to Australia where the government will give you a better life, plus there will be Aussie bikini babes on board that find beggars hot" in a manner which was believable and said beggar had the cash to stump up for the boat ride _then_ I would say "yep economic refugee exist".

But you don't need a navy to stop those guys. Just run ads on tele / posters of what really happens and they are stopped. Hell let their newspapers tell the truth; "Australia is not following the legitimate refugee convention and treating them like this" and you have stopped any "economic refugee" pretty well.

(Not that I think such a marketing campaign exists though)

Personally I think the economic refugee thing has been thought up as a new way of making the issue confusing because no one wants to admit that appealing to racism and xenophobia is more fun than addressing actual policies.

Fair point. I don't think many would qualify as skilled migrants.

I would classify anyone that does not qualify as a refugee under the UN definition as an economic refugee. I.e they are not persecuted, fleeing from war or natural disaster. They may be living in a sh*tty country with a sh*tty life and looking for a better life here but we are not obligated by the UN refugee convention to take these people in. A very large portion of the planet falls into this category. They may make excellent citizens but they cannot by law be offered asylum.

If we wanted we could throw open the borders but that would require a change in policy and would be a hard sell in Australia. We only abolished the "White Australia" policy in 1973. Prior to this we were closer to South Africa than the US. During the gold rush we would force Chinese to walk across country from South Australia to Ballarat as the charge to enter the country in Melbourne was 10 pounds. When this didn't work we ganged up and attacked and robbed them. The Qld Native police used to commit atrocities against Aboriginals until they were disbanded in the late 1800's.

Both sides of politics now dog whistle and the populous hear it loud and clear. If they didn't or were terribly upset by the policies we'd probably be governed by the greens. So if it seems that we are a xenophobic country it's likely because we are.

Personally, I'm fine with a larger refugee intake. Not to conflate the two issues of overall migration intake with refugee intake but my concerns with a larger population are more about the carrying capacity of the place. We currently accept ~290000 migrants. It boosts the economy and both sides of politics support the policy. If we can maintain living standards with a larger population then fine. Otherwise what are we aiming for?

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Notice the sudden arrival of Opel cars of all sizes in Australia. Now why would GM be doing that? rolleyes.gifschmoll.gifnerd.gif

So that GM could loose more money?!! ohmy.gif

Opel Australia shuts its doors

Perhaps GM can ask for even more taxpayers' money to keep Opel afloat here as well!

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So that GM could loose more money?!!

Didn't anticipate that Australia wouldn't know a decent car if it bit them on the @rse. They'd buy an Astra with a Holden badge. They'll get rebadged like Opels are badged Vauxhall in Britain.

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Drove a cruze as a rental last year. A box of poop. scared.gif

I think you are missing the point. The $3500 tax savings by buying the box of poop would enable you the savy investor to buy another investment property, thereby leveraging this into untold wealth.

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You can expect Holden to start pushing for these arrangements .... if they ever get sales to rise:

Open All Night: America's Car Factories

DETROIT—More U.S. auto plants are cranking out cars around the clock like never before, a change that is driving robust profit increases at Detroit's Big Three.

After years of layoffs, plant closures and corporate bankruptcies, U.S. auto makers and parts suppliers are pushing factories to the limits. At General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group LLC, more flexible union agreements now allow the companies to build cars for 120 hours a week or more while paying less in overtime pay.

Nearly 40% of car factories in North America now operate on work schedules that push production well past

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You can expect Holden to start pushing for these arrangements .... if they ever get sales to rise:

Open All Night: America's Car Factories

Get government bailout (socialist)

Remove union rules (capitalist)

Sell to predominantly to government fleet (socialist)

Profit (capitalist)

Isn't there a third style of society that economists crap on about? Auto manufacturers ought to be looking there to add some variety to the flavour.

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Less local parts means even less reason to keep subsidising the car manufacturers with hundreds of millions of taxpayers dollars!

Next Holden Commodore likely to have more foreign parts

...About 50 per cent of the current Holden Commodore is made up of locally-sourced components, compared to 70 per cent for the Ford Falcon and 65 per cent for the Toyota Camry, according to figures supplied by the car makers.But less than half of the parts that make up the new globally-developed 2017 Commodore are expected to be sourced locally, bringing it closer to the Cruze small car, which has 30 per cent local content...

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May have to wait a while as Krudd feels that more millions of taxpayers dollars need to be wasted first:

Kevin Rudd hints at more cash for struggling Holden

Looks like the Libs will maintain the status quo

Car industry 'on the brink of closing', warns industry minister Ian Macfarlane

Industry minister Ian Macfarlane has issued an explicit warning that car manufacturing in Australia is "on the brink of closing" before talks with Holden in the coming fortnight.

In a clear attempt to shift the Coalition's position on support for the car industry after the election, Macfarlane has told the ABC the government will do all it can to shore up local manufacturing – although he warns he does not have unlimited cash....

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The ALP leadership are like a Kaper Kops SWAT team. Invariably as they squeeze off a burst with their MP5s they fail to notice the red dot is firmly established on the top of their foot. Sad really as I was hoping Dudd would get enough traction that I could vote for a Turnbull ticket.

If 1/3 of new vehicle sales are leased, the job losses are going to be immense.

http://www.heraldsun...j-1226681232138

According to Albanese and other Dudds the tax changes target the wealthy leasing "BMWs". Really? How out of touch can you be?

Not one luxury car in the top 10...

http://ceoblog.smart...by-smartsalary/

This is just incompetence. This is policy on the run like the pink batts. Apparently treasury told them that most leases are on 6 figures and luxury cars - my 2nd link above shows the stats.

I'm going for 20,000+ Automotive job losses before the dust settles and before Toyota and Holden shut the plants.

A third of new deliveries 'suspended' shocking.gif. Australia sells a million cars a year, do the maths.

Utter incompetence.

When the dust settles in a couple of years, Australians might be singing 'Football, meat pies and Toyota cars' as Holden is probably going to be the weakest link.

Toyota passes 1 million exports, overtakes Holden as Australia’s biggest exporter of cars

JAPANESE giant Toyota has overtaken Holden as Australia’s biggest exporter of cars, eclipsing the 1 million milestone in less than half the time it took Holden to export 900,000 vehicles.

Toyota Australia this month exported its one-millionth vehicle to the Middle East, with a peak of 97,000 cars shipped in 2008.

Toyota has been shipping the Melbourne-made Camry to the region since 1996 but has been exporting cars from Australia since 1986.

In comparison - it took Holden 59 years to export 907,000 cars.

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