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Thomson Member for Dobell - This could be trouble for our government

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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2843970.html

In view of the severity of the allegations that have been made about Mr Thomson, there are certain inquiries which the Prime Minister herself must make and certain questions which she herself needs to address. I know that Mr Thomson has denied allegations of wrongdoing made against him. Those who are observing the Thomson case carefully will be able to form their own conclusions about the credibility of those denials and about the credibility of the Prime Minister's evident reliance upon those denials. But there are many facts now in the public arena which are not in dispute.

This could be the end of our Labor government.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/coalition-pressures-craig-thomson/2843804

If Mr Thomson resigned from the marginal seat and it fell to the Coalition, Ms Gillard's minority government would fall.
Senator Brandis said Paul Westwood, a handwriting expert and former head of the document examination section of the Federal Police, has concluded the signature on the credit card voucher and Mr Thomson's drivers license were made by the same person.

"If Thomson did not sign the credit card voucher then it was signed in his name by an expert forger who eluded Mr Westwood and who also had Thomson's driver's license," he said.

Senator Brandis asked how could Mr Thompson's credit card, driver's license and mobile phone "find their way into the possession of another person".

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Senator Brandis asked how could Mr Thompson's credit card, driver's license and mobile phone "find their way into the possession of another person".

He said that in April 2009 the Sydney Morning Herald reported Mr Thomson obtained cash advances on the HSU credit card totalling more than $100,000.

"An external audit has not been able to locate any receipts or other records to justify those cash advances. Those matters, I understand, are currently being investigated by Fair Work Australia," he said.

This is walking very close to the edge.

If he is charged with any criminal wrongdoing, he may have no choice but to resign his seat.

Further, if it is found that he is bankrupt, he also cannot hold a seat in the house.

Interesting days ahead.

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This is walking very close to the edge.

If he is charged with any criminal wrongdoing, he may have no choice but to resign his seat.

Further, if it is found that he is bankrupt, he also cannot hold a seat in the house.

Interesting days ahead.

George Brandis is not particularly well liked by the people of Australia but I sure would not want him prosecuting a case against me in public and I think that is his value to the liberals. In retrospect Malcolm Turnbull should have charged him with the responsibility of bringing down Swan with utegate and left it alone himself.

Brandis has nothing to loose as we already knows he is ruthless. That said I certainly prefer ruthless when there is cause to be ruthless to dodgy!

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Thompson should quit! The union members should hang him by the b@lls for wasting (blowing!) their money. If he had done it with a government credit card, ICAC would be prosecuting him.

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This is walking very close to the edge.

If he is charged with any criminal wrongdoing, he may have no choice but to resign his seat.

Further, if it is found that he is bankrupt, he also cannot hold a seat in the house.

Interesting days ahead.

he would need to be convicted, not just charged. any criminal proceedings would be pushed back past the next erection (ops that's what got him into all this trouble).

the ALP has been bankrolling him to ensure he doesn't face bankruptcy.

usually a party jettisons an MP in this situation, but given the circumstances the ALP will continue to support him. it will only be huge public interest in his affairs (oh dear another pun) that forces him to resign.

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Thompson should quit! The union members should hang him by the b@lls for wasting (blowing!) their money. If he had done it with a government credit card, ICAC would be prosecuting him.

the puns keep rolling in. tor - are you awake this time?

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he would need to be convicted, not just charged. any criminal proceedings would be pushed back past the next erection (ops that's what got him into all this trouble).

the ALP has been bankrolling him to ensure he doesn't face bankruptcy.

usually a party jettisons an MP in this situation, but given the circumstances the ALP will continue to support him. it will only be huge public interest in his affairs (oh dear another pun) that forces him to resign.

You could be right about Federal parliament about the conviction.

I'm sure Gordon Nuttall was forced to resign as soon as he was charged, but that was in Queensland.

Even if he is only charged for misappropriation of funds, I'm sure the opposition will step up the pressure.

Yeah.

I'm aware that the ALP are bankrolling him and have bailed him out with several payments apparently (according to Brandis), over the past few months.

I still think the hounds will be on his trail, and the ALP only need to lose one seat and its back to the polls.

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Which if the public become interested in this leave Labor with two choices.

1. Go to a by election now and likely lose government now but at least appear honourable like governments in the past who have expelled members or forced resignations due to less than this. I don't think this is realistic. But a criminal prosecution where he pleads guilty due to it being clear as mud that its dodgy could fast track things. Would he take a hit for the team and plead not guilty and cop possible jail time just to drag it out? Only for a bucket load of money I would suggest...

2. As Labor, say we want to wait for the justice system to act; innocent untill proven guilty and all that. This however is politically damaging for any party while all the evidence comes out and Labor does not need any more damage at this stage! I cannot think how Labor could get into any more political trouble than they are in now but this could well be it?

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You could be right about Federal parliament about the conviction.

I'm sure Gordon Nuttall was forced to resign as soon as he was charged, but that was in Queensland.

Even if he is only charged for misappropriation of funds, I'm sure the opposition will step up the pressure.

Yeah.

I'm aware that the ALP are bankrolling him and have bailed him out with several payments apparently (according to Brandis), over the past few months.

I still think the hounds will be on his trail, and the ALP only need to lose one seat and its back to the polls.

gordon f*ck all was pressured to resign. the qld ALP could easily give a seat away, and for the look of the party made a sacrifice. not so for the feds.

gordon was dealing in public funds, this dude is dealing in private funds, a big difference.

you are right, one wrong move and it's all over.

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But Mr Abbott - saying he does not want to "set himself up as a moral paragon" - declined to agree that Mr Thomson should have to resign.

Asked twice on Radio 2UE if he would sack a Liberal backbencher under similar circumstances, Mr Abbott refused to agree.

"Hopefully, I would not find myself in that situation but the truth is that people should not misuse money," he said.

Clearly the libs have learnt something from Turnbull prosecuting the case against Rudd and Swan. Don't put your leader at risk.

Another question is, what has Tony been up to?

"The one thing I don't want to do is set myself up as a moral paragon because you never know what tests you might face. You just never know these things," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-18/abbott-on-craig-thomson/2845062

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Another question is, what has Tony been up to?

Much as I get pissed off by people that make their sexual preferences their identity I at least find the stereotypical "alternate" people are honest (I can understand why some of them have to be shallow stereotypes to get equal rights and so on but the end goal doesn't make me like the way to get there).

Conservative politicians seem to constantly be caught being hypocritical. To the point that I just assume they are all hypocrites.

And if there was one that wasn't it would stand to reason s/he is a freak if no one else can follow that lifestyle.

If anything the gay / les / bi / swingers / and anyone else (including auto erotic asphyxiaters) are probably more common than the "No sex before marriage, good home life, stand by your morals" types.

So I guess I find it weird we have an entire party devoted to their fringe ideas.

And let's face it when a gay / les / bi / swingers / auto erotic asphyxiater politician does corrupt sh*t we don't give a damn waht weird sexy thing they were doing, we care about the fact they were being corrupt.

Seems a better system to me.

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Clearly the libs have learnt something from Turnbull prosecuting the case against Rudd and Swan. Don't put your leader at risk.

Another question is, what has Tony been up to?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-18/abbott-on-craig-thomson/2845062

I worked for a US company just before the dot com crash. Paid is USD so it was a sweet deal at the time. My ex army kiwi boss would insist on going to the pub at least twice a week. Everything was on the card. The only explanation I can think of is that the company thought the dollars were being spent greasing palms or drumming up new business. One not so memorable night we (there were two of us) racked up a $600 bill from a melbourne pub. It's hazy but we both remembered shouting up to 20 irish backpackers b52's (a few times I remembered). At the time I protested but was assured that this was how private enterprise worked.

Having said that the guy took money off members of the union. He should resign. He's not going anywhere though and you all know why. The problem is that these impropriety issues in politics tend to escalate as you suggest. Both sides have dirt files and no one wins. Look at the UK expenses scandal. The absolute disillusionment with the US congress. Pollies credibility is at an all time low. No body wants another race to the bottom at the moment. I'm not even aware of an ongoing investigation. The cops claim that a dude claiming to be a union official made a complaint last week and could not produce any specific evidence. Abbott seems to be hosing it down.

I'm not happy with the incumbents either but the Abbott seems to say whatever it takes to please the people that he is speaking to at the time. At least howards dog whistling was inaudible if obvious. Abbott states completely contradictory opinions on a regular basis. But I suppose if it not written down, it's not necessarily true by his own admission.

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I worked for a US company just before the dot com crash. Paid is USD so it was a sweet deal at the time. My ex army kiwi boss would insist on going to the pub at least twice a week. Everything was on the card. The only explanation I can think of is that the company thought the dollars were being spent greasing palms or drumming up new business. One not so memorable night we (there were two of us) racked up a $600 bill from a melbourne pub. It's hazy but we both remembered shouting up to 20 irish backpackers b52's (a few times I remembered). At the time I protested but was assured that this was how private enterprise worked.

There has to be some flexibility around corporate cards.

What you describe above is often considered a valid expense. The night he shouted irishmen was overboard but going out with your own staff is good value to company.

Comparing what you guys were worth collectively per hour and what he spent on his card the card was good value to the company.

The upshot is I am not surprised more allegations emerge and likely every stone turned over will reveal more. People are either dodgy with corporate cards or they are not. There is no in between generally. Unfortunately there is usually room to move as the reason they have the card is to ad hoc treat clients etc and I could imagine in some very limited circumstances the use of it in these ways might even be legitamate to a companies interests but sure as hell cannot see why it would be to a union.

His only defence from here would be to demonstrate that the union understood he was doing this and their was some implied arrangement where he got to use his corporate card as part of his remuneration for overtime etc. That would then have the tax department all over the union (well it would a private company) but it is better than him getting a criminal record.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/10068765/thomson-faces-further-card-claims/

The member for Dobell this week belatedly updated his listing in the parliamentary register of members' interests to add that the ALP's NSW branch had paid a "sum of money" - reportedly $90,000 - to his lawyers on his behalf.
But Fairfax newspapers on Friday said records showed that on April 5, 2006, a call was made from Mr Thomson's hotel room at Melbourne's Grand Hyatt to Young Blondes escort agency, and later to Confidential Models escort agency.

On June 7, 2006, a call was made from Mr Thomson's room at Pacific International Suites in Melbourne to an escort agency called Bad Girls.

If I was Julia I would get Thomson in my office now and say, look champ don't bullsh*t me. The door is closed I need to know just how dodgy you are. Do we have any hope of preventing this going further, I want to know everything.

Then she can decide to pretend she never heard it but put in the work necessary to cover his tracks or if the case is hopeless ask him to resign and fight hard for his seat...

All the press has to do is ask his old work collegues. It is likely it was common knowledge amoung them he was a dodgy bugger.

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Also hearing this morning that there is a reason Abbott is playing coy.

Apparently one of his own rank and file are facing criminal charges for shoplifting.

Could be a stalemate!

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Also hearing this morning that there is a reason Abbott is playing coy.

Apparently one of his own rank and file are facing criminal charges for shoplifting.

Could be a stalemate!

i do remember something about a light fingered polly. i guess for shop lifting there would be no criminal conviction recorded and hence no booting out of parliament?

it is strange the libs aren't going harder on this.

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Also hearing this morning that there is a reason Abbott is playing coy.

Apparently one of his own rank and file are facing criminal charges for shoplifting.

Could be a stalemate!

as zaph said no chance of a criminal conviction. She suffers bipolar or some such.

It came up I think about 9 months ago and it was more a case of get well soon then what a dodgy character.

Maybe that is thomsons way out. Perhaps he can claim he is a sex addict and go down the charlie sheen route. I would vote for charlie sheen in the house of reps.

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Were they all liberals who voted?

I would say yahoo would be fairly bi partisan maybe even more younger people rather than older?

That said the bias that would be in it is that people tend to vote on things they care about. Someone who has read all the news on this would think he is dodgy but for most Australians just like utegate they would be lucky to know what is going on and end up blaming abbot for Thomsons indiscretions if Abbot goes too hard on it...

Australians have an uncanny knack for looking at an issue and thinking whoever is saying the most on it must be the one to blame. Hence Thomsons complete silence now on the issue. If he tries to defend himself he is finished.

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as zaph said no chance of a criminal conviction. She suffers bipolar or some such.

It came up I think about 9 months ago and it was more a case of get well soon then what a dodgy character.

Maybe that is thomsons way out. Perhaps he can claim he is a sex addict and go down the charlie sheen route. I would vote for charlie sheen in the house of reps.

The story seems to be gaining a bit of traction. The fact that the card was used for buying sex doesn't concern me greatly. As far as I know prostitution isn't illegal. Westpac and NAB were until late last week providing finance for a megabrothel in Sydney. Still it's a lurid detail which will cause political damage right enough. It's the misappropriation of funds that'll finish him.

So if we get an early election and a change of government then we can probably expect a double dissolution fairly quickly as Abbott will seek to rid himself of those turbulent greens.

Apart from stopping the carbon tax, mining tax and cutting 70 billion in spending (and 12000 public servants) and stopping the boats does anyone know what an Abbott government will actually do once in power? I can't see them spending much on their direct action in reality. Apart from axing a whole department. Abbott is not a believer. Silence on IR policy. Health? Education? Defence? Welfare?

Julia Gillard stands by accused Craig Thomson

In April and June 2006 calls from Melbourne hotel rooms Mr Thomson used were allegedly made to three local escort agencies: Young Blondes, Confidential Models and Bad Girls.

Steffie, who declined to give her surname, from Confidential Models, told The Weekend Australian yesterday it was "standard practice" for drivers' licences to be checked when clients wanted to pay by credit card.

"But unfortunately I'm not able to discuss anything," she said.

Thank god for Confidential Models. I think he might in trouble with Bad Girls and Young Blondes though. :o

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So if we get an early election and a change of government then we can probably expect a double dissolution fairly quickly as Abbott will seek to rid himself of those turbulent greens.

a DD makes it easier for minor parties and independents to get a seat in the senate. i doubt abbott will be calling a DD.

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a DD makes it easier for minor parties and independents to get a seat in the senate. i doubt abbott will be calling a DD.

My thoughts were with the two party preferred vote at 56-44 to the libs they'd win a majority in the senate in a DD. Independents seem to be a bit on the nose as well.

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My thoughts were with the two party preferred vote at 56-44 to the libs they'd win a majority in the senate in a DD. Independents seem to be a bit on the nose as well.

anything is possible with a DD, but with only half the number of votes required to get a seat minor parties and independents have a much greater chance of getting in. eg in a normal half senate election a senator requires 16.6% of the vote to get a seat (6 senators). in a DD they require only 8.3% (12 senators).

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True enough it would be risky. I just can't see abbott negotiating with the greens. Or getting bipartisan support for much from labor. It would depend heavily on how much of a majority the libs receive in any election held. The experiment with a hung parliament doesn't seem to have gone down terribly well with the electorate. Getting a definitive result might resonate.

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True enough it would be risky. I just can't see abbott negotiating with the greens. Or getting bipartisan support for much from labor. It would depend heavily on how much of a majority the libs receive in any election held. The experiment with a hung parliament doesn't seem to have gone down terribly well with the electorate. Getting a definitive result might resonate.

it's rare that a govt controls the senate. so both parties are used to having to negotiate with independents and or minors in the senate.

Abbott would need popular legislation that was blocked to call a DD. he'd likely want to ram through a lot of legislation following the DD in the joint sitting and would then face a very hostile senate for the remainder of his term.

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