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It doesn't matter about its farceitude.

 

It only matters what's on the record. Never put anything on the record that doesn't need to be there.

 

The people (cos I've no doubt that it's people) rather than roles or governance is what's shat you. They change. They can get better. Particularly, if enough people vote with their feet.

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At Telecom NZ they made me do management training (a good use of resources that was) and one bit of that was how to do exit interviews. I said they were pointless and I think this topic shows why. Their data indicated no one ever left for money. I laughed my arse off.

 

Actually I am not leaving for the money. I had already decided to leave. Just got lucky wiith the job. Not that I would tell any of them that.

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Well Anders, I thought it was all dead in the water as the dude promised to be in touch by the friday after I posted the initial post. Then he rang me last friday and said he'd only just put my offer in. So I still don't know. I suppose it's encouraging that HP haven't set the dogs on me yet...  ^_^

 

Great! Best of luck!

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Actually I am not leaving for the money. I had already decided to leave. Just got lucky wiith the job. Not that I would tell any of them that.

 

Heh, the "I felt like it was time for a change" line is usually a good one. :)

 

My manager just spotted me this morning with some internally advertised roles in my web browser (more senior roles than my current one). He suggested that people move on a) to get out of the current environment/role, B) fear of job joss, or c) move "up" in their career. I suggested d) all of the above (as we have a pending re-org which will result in staff head count reductions).

 

When asked which of the three was my primary reason I just said none stuck out really and mumbled a bit. For me it's probably a) and c). When I get bored in a role I know it's TFAJ. I don't fear job loss as the redundancy payout would see me through about six months and I don't have to service a mortgage. :)

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Got an interview tomorrow afternoon.  :naughty:

 

I will report back even if it goes the way of the Spud interview in Trainspotting.

 

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Good luck! Fingers and eyes crossed!

 

Likewise.

(SC must be off at the pub, otherwise I would have expected a blow by blow analysis by now.)

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Likewise.

(SC must be off at the pub, otherwise I would have expected a blow by blow analysis by now.)

 

Fair assumption on a Friday night.  :wine:

 

But on this occasion I had to go to Sydney to buy some boots and catch up with my brar.

 

Still involved boozing though so points right there.

 

So the interview was pretty intense. About an hour of interrogation by an expert in web application security on topics ranging from buffer overflows, cross site scripting and direct object references to selling vulnerability remediation to CFO's. 

 

TBH I am not an expert in such matters. My speciality is Public Key Infrastructure. I dabble but I missed a few answers.

 

I asked the dude how I went at the end and he did say it was overall positive... He intimated however that my incorrect answers meant he would need to spend some money on training which seemed to imply my asking price was about to be whittled down. 

 

The role actually sounds interesting but not interesting enough to lure me from my current position without a substantial increase in remuneration. 

 

The golden shackles of my current super scheme may remain unbroken for now...

 

It was beneficial in terms of practice. I did learn that I have some weaknesses that need addressing. If I get punted from the APS then it's good to know that there is some demand for my skillz. Maybe just not at quite the current price I am asking.  ^_^

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Fair assumption on a Friday night.  :wine:

 

But on this occasion I had to go to Sydney to buy some boots and catch up with my brar.

 

Still involved boozing though so points right there.

 

So the interview was pretty intense. About an hour of interrogation by an expert in web application security on topics ranging from buffer overflows, cross site scripting and direct object references to selling vulnerability remediation to CFO's. 

 

TBH I am not an expert in such matters. My speciality is Public Key Infrastructure. I dabble but I missed a few answers.

 

I asked the dude how I went at the end and he did say it was overall positive... He intimated however that my incorrect answers meant he would need to spend some money on training which seemed to imply my asking price was about to be whittled down. 

 

The role actually sounds interesting but not interesting enough to lure me from my current position without a substantial increase in remuneration. 

 

The golden shackles of my current super scheme may remain unbroken for now...

 

It was beneficial in terms of practice. I did learn that I have some weaknesses that need addressing. If I get punted from the APS then it's good to know that there is some demand for my skillz. Maybe just not at quite the current price I am asking.  ^_^

 

Well, if you are already on a good wicket you can afford to be patient.

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I've survived the current APS rout but the constant justification of my role to the bean counters is becoming wearing...

 

Been through three rounds so far. I largely ignored the last one but another begins in September. Life is too short...

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I've survived the current APS rout but the constant justification of my role to the bean counters is becoming wearing...

 

Been through three rounds so far. I largely ignored the last one but another begins in September. Life is too short...

If you've been around a while then the redundancy package can be juicy. I work in the private sector but with a guy who's been with the same company for over 46 years! He'd just about bear hug anyone who'd give him a package.

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If you've been around a while then the redundancy package can be juicy. I work in the private sector but with a guy who's been with the same company for over 46 years! He'd just about bear hug anyone who'd give him a package.

 

46 years? Holy moly that is a long time to work for one company. People with that sort of career history must be near endangered now. Probably no way they would even be offered a package as it would be too expensive. 

 

2 weeks pay for every year of service is the standard for involuntary. 92 weeks pay... Depending on his current wage that's one hell of a golden handshake.

 

I'm taking long service leave at the moment so only a lousy 11 years. I'd happily take a package but there would be loads of guys in front of me. My sister has taken two packages and still works for the APS. My father took one and turned up the following week as a contractor in the same role. Can't happen now as they've changed the rules. You have to wait a year. Bit of a rort really... :blush:

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Probably no way they would even be offered a package as it would be too expensive. 

My mother was contemplating retirement, only 20 years of service however. Today, or in six months? They offered her a redundancy? Of course she leapt at the opportunity. Take a years pay to leave today, or nothing to leave in a few months - no brainier. 

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My mother was contemplating retirement, only 20 years of service however. Today, or in six months? They offered her a redundancy? Of course she leapt at the opportunity. Take a years pay to leave today, or nothing to leave in a few months - no brainier. 

 

And there is no actual stipulation that she must retire. No brainer indeed.

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46 years? Holy moly that is a long time to work for one company. People with that sort of career history must be near endangered now. Probably no way they would even be offered a package as it would be too expensive. 

 

2 weeks pay for every year of service is the standard for involuntary. 92 weeks pay... Depending on his current wage that's one hell of a golden handshake.

 

I'm taking long service leave at the moment so only a lousy 11 years. I'd happily take a package but there would be loads of guys in front of me. My sister has taken two packages and still works for the APS. My father took one and turned up the following week as a contractor in the same role. Can't happen now as they've changed the rules. You have to wait a year. Bit of a rort really... :blush:

The 12 month rule I think is because redundancy payments have some tax relief.

 

Yeah 46 years is a fair stint. He started when he was 16 or 17. IIRC 1.5 years is the maximum payout but his super is seven figures so he wouldn't quibble.

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I've resigned to attempt contracting without a role lined up before I bailed. One of two things will now happen. Either I'll be offered my own job back at double the rate I was doing it for as a permanent. (long shot) or I'll start a FIFO contracting role in Sydney (which has arisen since I chucked it in on Tuesday). Actually there is a third possibility. I'll remain unemployed for the foreseeable future. In any case I can now join the less maligned ranks of private enterprise...  ;)

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Good luck with the move! Risky but bold. I would have thought being APS you would have hung around for a redundancy package. :)

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As I say we're much maligned.  :) The getting my own job back as a contractor option is being couched to the assistant secretary on Friday (not at my behest) but I doubt it will fly. The effect on team morale would be devastating.

 

The Sydney role involves integration of dev ops and would be interesting. I have a lunch on Monday next week. I will post updates. 

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I would have thought being APS you would have hung around for a redundancy package. :)

 

+1. I would have gone for the golden parachute.

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Good luck SC!

 

Thanks Anders. I gotta say I'm feeling quite liberated.

 

 

+1. I would have gone for the golden parachute.

 

 

Trust me. If they were offering one I would have pulled the cord.  ^_^

 

The AS declined my more than generous offer of keeping my old job at twice the rate as expected. Though another team in the organisation has offered me a role as a contractor today. Same situation I expect. A long shot. Apparently, setting a precedent of moving from an FTE to contracting may spark a general revolt. It's not a convincing argument TBH. The contracting roles require a public tender process to be followed. Which means anyone that tries the same is putting it all on black with a significant risk (unless they have specialist skills) that they won't get their own job if they apply. 

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Good luck with it all, I agree that the idea of FTE -> Contractor being silly. Everywhere I have worked people good enough to do that transform just leave if it isn't an option. Personally I think it is indicative of the skills of management in general.

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Thanks tor. The other AS has consented to my contracting and I met with the new team (a bit) today. Looks like it's chocks away for contracting.  :)

 

They are sending me on training next week so they are definitely keen. I know nothing about rate negotiations though. Any advice from current contractors would be appreciated. I'm thinking of starting high (~150 p/h) and being prepared to drop. I will also need a pimp. Any advice about negotiations, pimps and whatnot also much appreciated.

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They are sending me on training next week so they are definitely keen. I know nothing about rate negotiations though. Any advice from current contractors would be appreciated.

It's good to know market rates. I have a report from last year, I'll see if I can find it.

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It's good to know market rates. I have a report from last year, I'll see if I can find it.

You can download one here: http://www.greythorn.com.au/request-to-download-salary-guide

 

Other recruitment companies may publish similar reports. I like to be upfront with salary expectations (it has cost me opportunities but saved me time), and how much you set as your rate depends on how much you're willing to walk away from the role.

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