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Julia Gillard to make history as Australia's first female PM

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Badaboom. And what were YOU doing at this historic moment?

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As new Australian, I try to get a grasp of the politic down here, but frankly it is quite ridiculous.Who will have the balls to make changes to the tax system now and for the next 50 years.

I am not sure if I really don't get it or if it is pathetic.

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Excuse me for asking: Who has elected her?

PS - John Howard went all the way to the elections despite the polls, like a man.

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As new Australian, I try to get a grasp of the politic down here, but frankly it is quite ridiculous.Who will have the balls to make changes to the tax system now and for the next 50 years.

I am not sure if I really don't get it or if it is pathetic.

i doubt we will see many significant changes at all. rudd got the boot because his actions didn't come close to keeping up with his promises. so that gives gillard 2 options--deliver on big promises or avoid big promises. i suspect she will opt for avoidance. the only thing she has to do to win the election is 1. not be rudd and 2. not be abbott.

we will see the mining revenue tax pulled/slashed... i don't know why people see that as a necessarily good thing. if anything, the toppling of rudd has demonstrated how much power the mining industry has over australian politics. in terms of substantial issues--health, education, housing... will we see any major changes? it's still the same labor party so i kind of doubt it. if gillard leads labor to a big win then she will have the clout to put her imprint on the party post election but otherwise i'm guessing quiet status quo.

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As new Australian, I try to get a grasp of the politic down here, but frankly it is quite ridiculous.Who will have the balls to make changes to the tax system now and for the next 50 years.

I am not sure if I really don't get it or if it is pathetic.

Deck, as a born and bred Aussie, I don't get it either.

Don't feel too bad.

But you are right.

Who now will have the political gumption to implement strong necessary change, when the parliamentary caucus can simply oust a leader in a spill. What is the point of elections, and the democratic system.

To me, it is a question of valid leadership.

And I think all of us need to ponder our own part in this process.

Is a leader meant to be popular, or is it more to do things that are unpopular, knowing that these are in the long term best interests of the people.

As a parent, I can speak many times of the complaints I received from my children, because I made them brush their teeth, or eat their greens and go to school. If I had wanted to be a parent based on popularity, it probably would have meant sickly children/adults with bad teeth, who couldn't fully operated or participate in the real world.

Further, I think this makes a mockery of the democratic system. I said the same over the sacking of Gough Whitlam and the ousting of Bob Hawke.

Despise or adore Rudd, anyone who voted for Labour, has just had their democratic voting power diminished, if you voted on the basis of Kevin Rudd as their leader. (Frankly I think, anyone who doesn't vote for their best local candidate is a fool, but I am well aware that in the past 20 years we have seemingly highlighted the role of the leader of the party along the American lines far more than we used to.)

Are we going to see a repeat in the Federal sphere, of the NSW government, where the people of that state have had three premiers they never even voted for?

Anyhow, that's all by the by now, as we welcome Julia into the Prime Ministry.

I can only hope that there are some serious questions being asked by Julia of her own political future, if she should lose the election.

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Excuse me for asking: Who has elected her?

PS - John Howard went all the way to the elections despite the polls, like a man.

I'd assume the same people who elected Chairman Rudd

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Excuse me for asking: Who has elected her?

Female premiers have rarely been elected, and I'd say its unlikely a woman would be put up as a candidate by either party unless they had already taken over as incumbent.

Its all labour factional BS anyway.

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I can only hope that there are some serious questions being asked by Julia of her own political future, if she should lose the election.

If she loses, she will do yet another unprecedented thing - shortest term as PM, lasting only a few months...

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Excuse me for asking: Who has elected her?

PS - John Howard went all the way to the elections despite the polls, like a man.

Howard stabbed everybody in three leadership runs in 19 years.

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Excuse me for asking: Who has elected her?

PS - John Howard went all the way to the elections despite the polls, like a man.

the party elected her.

not sure where you are from spark, was it a Westminster country?

Australians always forget (or most probably don't realise) that they vote for a person. not a party and not a leader. the person you vote for can leave the party or the party you quasi vote for can change it's leader.

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Female premiers have rarely been elected, and I'd say its unlikely a woman would be put up as a candidate by either party unless they had already taken over as incumbent.

Its all labour factional BS anyway.

rarely = one. captain Bligh is the only female premier to have been elected in her own right.

go Julia! it's about time we had a woman in charge.

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rarely = one. captain Bligh is the only female premier to have been elected in her own right.

go Julia! it's about time we had a woman in charge.

here is hoping our national budget isnt blown on shoes and frocks

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here is hoping our national budget isnt blown on shoes and frocks

I hope she is a better leader and sets a better example than Kristine Keneally.

Somehow I doubt it.

Does anybody remember all the times when Gillard was questioned about her intentions of challenging the party leadership? She has been quoted as saying that's about as likely as me going to mars, sailing around the world solo etc.

So, does that already reveal her as a liar? Or is there something else at play here, mining industry play?

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I hope she is a better leader and sets a better example than Kristine Keneally.

Somehow I doubt it.

Does anybody remember all the times when Gillard was questioned about her intentions of challenging the party leadership? She has been quoted as saying that's about as likely as me going to mars, sailing around the world solo etc.

So, does that already reveal her as a liar? Or is there something else at play here, mining industry play?

Just the way politics works. It would be suicidal to say "yes I want to be prime minister". Then you are a definite threat to the incumbent.

Adapted from Yes minister

"If asked if she wants to be Prime Minister, the generally acceptable answer for a politician is that while she does not seek the office, she has pledged herself to the service of her country, and that should her colleagues persuade her that that is the best way she can serve, she might reluctantly have to accept the responsibility, whatever her personal wishes might be."

denial is straight out of the official playbook.

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Australians always forget (or most probably don't realise) that they vote for a person. not a party and not a leader. the person you vote for can leave the party or the party you quasi vote for can change it's leader.

Australians don't know the half of it.

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Pick a fight with the wealthiest people in the country and look what happens.

Maybe it is just a coincidence...but a sitting PM...first term...finally drawing a line in the sand and suddenly...gone. That never happens. Rather never used to happen.

No election. No debate. No public record.

It will be interesting to see what policies are now adjusted by this same group of decision makers.

Crazy.

P.S. I got my reply from Plibersek today. She is concerned rental shortages could increase if rental properties are treated differently from other types of investments. She appreciates my contribution to this debate and my concerns regarding negative gearing have been noted. Demand for housing has exceeded supply in the last few years and this has pushed up prices...working on long term solutions...be assured housing is a major priority for the Commonwealth Government.

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Pick a fight with the wealthiest people in the country and look what happens...

That is my plan: become one of the wealthiest people in the country then start voting. It is the only way it makes sense.

Given the acceptance of those actions by the populace I figure it just might work.

What I love the most is that it was the unions that did it apparently. Go go socialist power. At least they never espoused democracy.

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That is my plan: become one of the wealthiest people in the country then start voting. It is the only way it makes sense.

Given the acceptance of those actions by the populace I figure it just might work.

What I love the most is that it was the unions that did it apparently. Go go socialist power. At least they never espoused democracy.

You know what? ... (Sorry still channeling Kevin)

I'm not sure that Julia had to do too many Faustian bargains. They needed her in the end. She had the box seat in negotiations.

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You know what? ... (Sorry still channeling Kevin)

I'm not sure that Julia had to do too many Faustian bargains. They needed her in the end. She had the box seat in negotiations.

Yeah I am sure that seeing Kevin get booted in that manner makes her feel real confident. I was her I would be asking for the 50% pay rise plus signing bonus because I would know the job is going to be sh*t in those circumstances and I would have to eat a lot of my own word and just swallow my pride.

And be very aware that the day they decide I am not doing it right I will be gone the next with a pretty bad resume.

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Yeah I am sure that seeing Kevin get booted in that manner makes her feel real confident. I was her I would be asking for the 50% pay rise plus signing bonus because I would know the job is going to be sh*t in those circumstances and I would have to eat a lot of my own word and just swallow my pride.

And be very aware that the day they decide I am not doing it right I will be gone the next with a pretty bad resume.

Actually I was thinking they'd ship Kevin off to whatever diplomatic post he desired. I can't imagine why he would stay even if considered for the front bench. Any ministry is a step backwards. Tough game politics.

I had an informal "sounding out" about a job at lunch today. Most of the conversation was about the difficulty of introducing a change toward an engineering approach to software development and the resistance that would be felt from the "old guard". Lot's of people are tired of working their butts off because of a lack of analysis in the early stages of a project and late surprises. I'm one of them. Kevin set a cracking pace (at least in government) and his execs followed his lead. True change takes time.

Tor with a new start up there must be some truly brutal decisions taken even to survive.

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...I had an informal "sounding out" about a job at lunch today. Most of the conversation was about the difficulty of introducing a change toward an engineering approach to software development and the resistance that would be felt from the "old guard". Lot's of people are tired of working their butts off because of a lack of analysis in the early stages of a project and late surprises. I'm one of them. Kevin set a cracking pace (at least in government) and his execs followed his lead. True change takes time.

Tor with a new start up there must be some truly brutal decisions taken even to survive.

I am somewhat brutal by nature (in my professional capacity, outside work I am like rainbows and daisies). No one that works with me is under any misunderstanding of the nature of what we are doing and I only like hiring contractors. I try to set a good example by being just as brutal regarding decisions about me to reduce the amount of rancour.

One thing I have come to learn is that good project managers don't exist and up front analysis tends to fail on anything complex. So I just try to build a team of insanely dedicated people that will kill themselves to hit targets and I try to deflect the sales and marketing people from their more unachievable targets. Seems to work slightly better than the project management approach (I still have someone making the pretty pictures and schedules and everything so that management have something to look at and talk about but it is considered fairly much "make work"). There are still failures of course but we tend to see them coming earlier in the piece as no one is trying to hide the failure.

I am not sure this approach would work with large projects but that is probably why large projects cost so much more.

If you are being sounded out for a "step up" type role I would say go for it. Just keep in mind that when you are in charge you will become the person responsible for the failures :)

As we used to say when I worked operations "if the ops guys aren't bitching fire them and hire people that will".

The trick is to work out which bitching is by talented guys lamenting the cockups and which is bitching by people that are incompetent leeches.

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TheAge: Fragile Peace

THE mining industry has taken Kevin Rudd's scalp. And before long, it could also claim the scalp of Treasury secretary Ken Henry, the architect of the ''super'' profits tax on the industry.

But the industry is far from finished. Helping force a political change at the highest level is one thing, getting what it really wants is another.

...

Meanwhile, over at Brekkie Central they're gushing on about how great it is that the Prime Minister is a woman.

This is all very confusing. I'm hoping Eddie McGuire will be able to explain it to me in plain english on the way to work. Ate a light breakfast, in anticipation.

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Clive Palmer knows the score.

You know, this is just a bit chilling...the fact he's saying it out loud.

Gillard 'nothing new', says Palmer

  • From:AAP
  • June 24, 2010 1:44PM

MINING billionaire Clive Palmer has claimed some credit for Kevin Rudd's demise and said Julia Gillard stance on the super profits tax is "nothing new."

Mr Palmer later said Ms Gillard's comments on the tax proposal since being elected prime minister by Labor MPs

sounded little different to Kevin Rudd in substance.

"She is basically saying the words of the previous prime minister,'' Mr Palmer said.

"Her comments are nothing new,'' he said.

Mr Palmer said there was no question about negotiations, because he did not accept the principle that mining should be taxed more heavily than other activities.

"The prime minister needs to accept that principle,'' he said.

Mr Palmer, who has been highly critical of the federal government's plans for the new tax, said a mining industry campaign had helped ensure Mr Rudd was dumped as leader.

"This is the first time in Australia's history that a prime minister has been defeated by a civil campaign of anger,'' Mr Palmer said from London, where he's on a business trip.

"Have a look when we first started this campaign where he was, and where he was at the end of it.

"I would call on her (Ms Gillard) to make a clear statement that there will be no resources rent tax so that the industry can get back to providing Australians with jobs,'' Mr Palmer said.

Since the announcement of the new tax, expected to reap $12 billion in its first two years, Mr Rudd had a steady fall in popularity in the face of an extensive advertising campaign from the mining lobby.

(Ms) Gillard was elected unopposed to become Australian prime minister at a leadership ballot on Thursday morning while Treasurer Wayne Swan was installed as deputy leader.

Palmer, a Liberal Party donor, said he still had concerns that Mr Swan, one of the architects of the RSPT proposal, had been named as deputy leader.

"You have got to ask yourself, `is there a real change or is this being done for cosmetic reasons to dupe the people?''' he said.

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Oh, I'm going with the dupe people option.

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Wonderful how he takes pride in the subversion of a democratically elected leader by vested interests.

I've not seen evidence that Mr Palmer is anything other than a slimy despicable idividual.

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